I don't have a clue as to whether spirits really exist or not.
Funny how that JW BS can creep in when one is watching TV sometimes though.
sweet tee
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CROSSING OVER with John Edward?
by mad max inwatched last night and in the past.
still feel kind of "should not be watching" as the dead are dead.. being sought of going to church and its now that we don't die but go to god.. just wondering if john edward would be the same as the medium that saul went to and god was very displeased?
though he said last night he is not????.
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sweet tee
Enjoy life - there are no reruns.
--Shirl Lowery
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Hi.. I'm also new and wanted some opinion...
by Lynne Y inhi, i'm lynne.. i was wondering about religion for months and found this website.. i was hoping to get some feedbacks... almost everyone in my mom's family is a witness, and i was born and raised as a witness.
and yet, i never really wanted to get baptized, maybe because my father left the truth(?
although i don't like the expression, the truth, i don't know what else to say.. heh..).
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sweet tee
Welcome to the forum Lynne! This is a great place to meet people who've been through what you're going through and get some honest feedback. You could never speak freely to a dub about your doubts and get anything other than the party line. Here you can speak the truth.
I left because I was basically tired of slaving for a bunch of old a** men who didn't give a crap about me. That along with the flip-flop doctrines. It was too much, boring as hell and time to get on with my life. I was in for about 12 years, got baptized right after I turned 17 - no family in so when I had enough I just walked away.
Rebel8 summed up the way I feel right now too:
Nobody knows for sure. There is no proof. People try to pretend there is proof, but there isn't. Faith is fine, but pretending it's based upon actual evidence is delusional and serves no purpose. The most important thing is to lead a worthwhile, happy life. That is where meaning, purpose, and happiness lies: in doing the right thing for ourselves and for humanity right now. If there is later found to be evidence that god exists--great! I will have led an upright, meaningful life and will be able to add worship of god to it. I really find it hard to believe that an all-good god would be disappointed in the way I live my life.
The only thing I would like to add is that I DO believe in God, just not the way it's described in the Bible. That just doesn't make sense to me that God is love and he's so interested in our day-to-day sins but doesn't step in and really help mankind in general due to some dispute with the devil and a test upon mankind. I would rather admit that I don't know than believe in and base my life on a bunch of fairy tales. May as well believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy too.
Like it was mentioned earlier, agnosticism is very liberating. Until you find YOUR truth don't sign up for anything. And it's probably best to keep your mother in the dark for now. A lot of witnesses seem to be getting fed up with the GB lately. There are now posters here everyday - some of them active witnesses trying to fade. Your mother may join that bunch ... you never know. Give it time. Don't sever the relationship now by announcing that you think it's all a crock. You're not baptized so you can choose whether to go or not since you're not locked into the GB
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who escapes more often, those born into it or adult converts?
by kid-A inwhat strikes me on this board is the number of adult converts that have left the borg, either fading out or getting df'd.
from my experience (i was born into it, 2nd generation, left before getting baptized) most of the faders or escapees were also like.
me, born into it, never really accepted it and just bowed out at the first opportunity.
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sweet tee
Teenage convert .
It's interesting hearing the view of those raised in the b0rg. Funny, it never occured to me that my kids may have thought I was crazy for believing that stuff. It's sooooo stressful being a dub parent, you want your children to get baptized ASAP and escape destruction at army-gettin. It does seem that born-ins leave more readily than converts. My stepdaughter said it wasn't for her when she was only 16 (she's very intelligent). Many of the youths I saw get baptized in my 12 years in turned away as young adults. The old timers appear to be the most steadfast. It's been a way of life for them for so long they don't know anything else.
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Did you ever want to just 'FOREST GUMP' it out of the Kingdom Hall?
by GetBusyLiving inthe last few weeks of meetings for me were pure hell.
i got a cold sweat sometimes and just sat there fantasizing about running forest gump style out of the kingdom hall.
i was getting "encouraged" to comment more too and i just physically could not audibly promote that crap in public anymore.
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sweet tee
Sounds like a panic attack. Maybe your doctor can write a note to the boe and have you excused due to health concerns !
Tam
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Am new here, would love some info on JW
by dorie inhey all .
am new here, am the sister of a minister of the jw in ireland, and also the aunt of 2 lovely nephews soon to be baptized into jw's faith!!
we've tried for years to make her see sense and leave the jw's but it doens't work!!
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sweet tee
Welcome to the forum Dorie!
To answer your question, I began my exodus when they changed the meaning of one of their prophecies - AFTER IT FAILED! Their prediction was that the Soviet Union would overthrow the US in a struggle for power and then the great tribulation would begin. They based this on a prophecy in the Book of Daniel about the King of the North and King of the South. Well, when the Soviet Union collapsed, they did a quick backpeddle in a study article - no apology really just more like, oh, we were mistaken about that .... moving on. I was shocked. But it seems I may have been the only one because as I looked around the kingdumb hall, everyone else seemed to take it on the chin (or maybe they were daydreaming). I wondered to myself, if they were wrong about THIS what else could they be wrong about?
It didn't take long to find out. A couple of years later they relaxed their prohibition on colleg education (see my profile on that) then it was the 'this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur'. The GENERATION was supposed to be the generation that saw the events of 1914. That meant that the end was very close (yeah, right). The current teaching is some convoluted mess I can't even articulate - but regardless, that was the last straw for me.
You see, JW religion demands a lot from its adherants. As you stated, some parents do not emphasize education because the end is supposed to be so close. But what happens when your nephew grows up and cannot find employement because of lack of formal education? I had to look at the price I was paying to be a part of this religion. If what they were saying wasn't true, and obviously it isn't, then I had to take my life back and begin to make a future for myself and my family. That plus the fact that I was just so damned tired of walking a tightrope for people who didn't give a rats ass about me personally. The burden was so heavy - I knew it couldn't be from God.
I wish you all the best dorie. You are truly a caring individual to spend your time trying to find a way to help your family. Don't give up hope, there are new posters here EVERYDAY who just up and left the religion or are trying to find out the truth about
the cultda troof and make some sort of exit.sweet tee
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My Vacation with JW Relatives
by Nosferatu inhey all.
i promised i'd tell you about my holidays visiting my non-jw brother and his jw family.. the first thing i noticed when we arrived was a whiteboard stuck to the fridge.
it seems the rest of the family decided to follow the family schedule found in the tms.
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sweet tee
Ya done good nos! Believe me, your neice and nephew already know that you are cooler than any dub at the KH. The seeds have been planted. According to Hibiscus you will definately reap what you sow .
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Preparing for meetings
by daystar ini can recall from a very early age, that before just about every meeting, our family would be on edge while getting ready.
often some of the very worst of our personalities would show themselves.
we would argue and sometimes be downright verbally abusive with each other.
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sweet tee
My ex worked nights and I worked days. He laid in the bed all day - didn't prepare dinner or study with the kids. Then when I came home from work (5-6) it was a mad dash to bathe the toddlers, comb hair, iron clothes, help them find books - get MYSELF ready all so that the 5 of us could wait in the car for the dubby-hubby to join us - LATE AGAIN.
Then in spite of all the effort I put forth to get us there, we would still have to bear the 'local needs' talk about getting to the hall on time . Bunch of f'ing nit-pickin retards!
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Life after Jehovahs Witnesses
by WILKO ini was brought up a jw untill i was seventeen, even got baptized.
when i was seventeen i got disfellowshipped.
tried for about three years of sitting in a hall of non stop ignorant people claming to be christian, is it christian to be ignorant or just rude?
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sweet tee
Orade - lmao - I love it!
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Notes from the Wallkill Printery Dedication - May 16, 2005
by acsot inyou will all no doubt want to upchuk your lunch be pleased to find out how jehovah has blessed the brothers and sisters at the expanded, updated printery at wallkill.
i have several pages of notes from that momentous occasion, but haven't a clue how to get them to post here.
one of the snippets that will make you want to vomit highlights mentioned how, in reference to one job out-sourced to a "worldly" company for the concrete floors, the foreman of said company told the dubs that "what he learned in his few months at watchtower was comparable to five years of college".
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sweet tee
How the hell do they know what compares to college? When was the last time they went to university???
Even if the HAD gone in the past, they wouldn't recognize the curriculum today. Bunch of duluded, self-absorbed dweebs.